Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:12:38 From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: COZY: Orders to AeroElectric Connection I've seen some traffic on this subject and thought a bit of explanation was in order. . . Over the holidays we spent too much time away from the office and things stacked up. When we got back into the saddle a couple of weeks ago, it seems we ran out of about everything all at once! I've been busy cajoling suppliers into getting our inventories restocked. Dee has hauled a lot of boxes to the post office the past few days so the decks have been cleared for all the orders we could ship complete. The longest lead time on any critical shortages I have now are next Monday so we think we'll be caught up 100% by the middle of nex week. Thank you all for your patience! Bob . . . //// (o o) ===========o00o=(_)=o00o========= < Go ahead, make my day . . . > < show me where I'm wrong. > ================================= Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:50:19 -0800 From: Frank Johanson Subject: Re: COZY: Source for sandpaper? Hi Joseph I get my disks from local napa auto parts dealer. frank johanson Joseph H. Hart IV wrote: > I use my 5" random orbit sander for those rare occasions when I need > to sand a layup that was not peel-plied or has been somehow contaminated > since the peel-ply was removed. Usually a lot of sanding with the 60 > grit that I can find at Home Depot does the trick on these small areas. > Unfortunately, I screwed up, removed the peel ply from the inside bottom > layup so that I could flox it to the fuselage sides/bulkheads, but did > not tape the joints. Now I have some serious sanding to do on the > fuselage bottom before I can tape the joints and 60 grit is not going to > cut it nor do I want to spend a huge amount of time handsanding only to > get a lesser quality job than I would with the RO sander. Does anyone > know where I can find 5" 36 grit hook & loop sandpaper discs? I would > prefer discs punched with 8 holes but zero or 5 hole would work. > > Thanks in advance. > -- > Jody Hart, New Orleans, LA > Cozy Mark IV plans no. 648, N359JH (reserved) > Chapter 6, see latest progress at: > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:49:15 -0800 From: "LCDR James D. Newman" Subject: COZY: Re: Source for sandpaper? Hi Jody and All, > I use my 5" random orbit sander . . . Me too. > Does anyone know where I can find 5" 36 grit hook & loop sandpaper discs? I would prefer discs > punched with 8 holes but zero or 5 hole would work. Call Klingspor at (800) 228-0000, International Customers call 001-828-327-7263, for their 24 hours a day order desk. They have a free catalog of all their products. I just quickly flipped through their latest catalog. Didn't see 5" diameter 36 grit hook and loop discs with holes (just saw 60 grit as the coarsest - should work for ya), but did see 36 grit discs. Good luck. Infinity's Forever, JD From: cdenk@ix.netcom.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:10:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: COZY: Source for sandpaper? Jodyhart asked <5" random orbit sandpaper> I use the PSA (pressure sensative adhesive) ones, they are readily available with replacement baching pads at auto body shop supply houses. Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:28:31 -0600 From: "Joseph H. Hart IV" Subject: Re: COZY: Source for sandpaper? Bill Kastenholz wrote: > I don't think they make hook and loop discs less than 60 grit. Bill: Although it was hard to find and doesn't have the dust collection holes that my Dewalt sander has, I was able to find 40 grit 5" hook and loop discs through my local Sherwin-Williams dealer. They had to order them but I should have them by the end of the week. They were $19.50 for a box of 25. Also, Klingspor would make them for $.48/piece; however, the wait time was too long. I sure wish that I had chosen a sander that accepts PSA rather than hook and loop (PSA is cheaper)! Thanks to everyone for their replies. Jody Hart Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:00:02 From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: COZY: Special buy on D-Sub crimp tool . . . We've just received a limited qty of "star crimp" tools for machined pins to fit D-Sub connectors and many others. Take a peek at: http://www.aeroelectric.com/consign.html The D-Sub connector is found on many of the small, modern avionics products. It's also common to most of our "black boxes". . . . Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 19:12:47 -0500 From: Jeff Russell Subject: COZY: Great News (Press Release) PRESS RELEASE For immediate release. (02-02-99) On January 14th, 1999, a agreement was reached between Co-Z Development Corp. and AeroCad, Inc. which resulted in settlement of law suits between the parties. Nat Puffer, President, of Co-Z, and Jeff Russell, President of AeroCad released a joint statement that: “It became very obvious that we both were interested in furthering the development of canard -style airplanes, that we would both be better off by joining forces again, rather than in spending time and money in court, and that settlement would be in the best interest of the builders.” Therefore, Co-Z has granted a non-exclusive license to AeroCad, Inc. to use the Co-Z Proprietary Rights worldwide and AeroCad will become an ”Approved Supplier” of Cozy Airplane components. Mr. Puffer will personally inspect all Cozy parts produced by AeroCad for form, fit and function, and the approved parts will be labeled ”Made to Co-Z Development Corp. Cozy Specifications.” Also under the license agreement, AeroCad will continue to offer the AeroCanard airplane kits, a slightly larger and different 4-place canard kit. Any builder that uses AeroCanard parts which are different in form, fit, and function that is specified in the Cozy plans will be asked to not register their plane under the Cozy label...... For more information contact: Mr. Nathan Puffer Co-Z Development Corp. 2046 No. 63rd Place Mesa, AZ 85215 602-981-6401 For more information contact: Mr. Jeff Russell AeroCad, Inc. 2954 Curtis King Blvd. Port St. Lucie, FL 34946 561-460-8020 Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 21:14:06 -0800 From: Frank Johanson Subject: Re: COZY: Cozy: 3" UNI Tape Hi Dick Not only is the quality control bad I think in some cases it is on purpose. I just got ten gallons of epoxy and 15% of each gallon was not filled , that's really stretching the product and cheating us , I tend to think the wrong size tape may be done thinking we will make up the difference and not complain. Well I intend to raise bloody hell with them and If we don't all complain they will keep doing more!!! I am really very angry with the way things are going on getting material. Another order I put in they quoted 19 dollars a gallon plus shipping & handling then did not ship or call back. After a week and a half I called and was told it was not in stock ( it was before) and was now 32 dollars per gallon for the hardener. These people need to realize that If they cheat on the quality and a accident occurs they may be held liable if it can be shown that they did not take steps to correct the errors. Best Wishes Dick Frank Johanson Cozy7971@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/2/99 12:47:46 PM Central Standard Time, > tmkpida@pacbell.net writes: > > << The 3" UNI tape that is used in spar cap layups used to be in fact a full > 3" > wide. I recently went to ACS and almost got a roll now 2-1/2" wide. >> > > As another point on changing products, I just received 30 yards of BID from > Wicks. It came without the selvage edge. I suspect this will make it a whole > lot harder to do get the strands straight on a layup. To make things worse, > the idiot that packaged it wrapped the roll with masking tape before rolling > it up in paper. The tape stuck like glue and ruined about 1.5 feet of the > roll. At $4.80 a yard thats pretty expensive packaging. > > On the positive side, after about six to eight months of turning the garage > into a heated workshop I'm back in production. I'm finishing a few pieces in > the basement and will be moving the plane outside for final assembly in a few > weeks. > > Dick Finn Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 20:21:14 -0800 From: "LCDR James D. Newman" Subject: COZY: Re: 3" UNI Tape Hi Frank and All, > Frank Johanson wrote: > Not only is the quality control bad I think in some cases it is on purpose. I just got ten gallons > of epoxy and 15% of each gallon was not filled , that's really stretching the product and cheating > us, . . . Yes, I asked the same question long ago (since day one - Nov. 1982). It has always been sold short for a "gallon" of resin and short for a "half gallon" of hardener. I was told that it is sold by the "weight" not the volume. So I asked them why do you advertise it as a gallon kit? The people at the counter had no answer (their usual annoyed blank stare when you catch them in the wrong). It still bugs me too. > . . . I tend to think the wrong size tape may be done thinking we will make up the difference and > not complain. I just got another 180 yards in Dec. and I immediately called to find out why it was only between 2.5" and 2.75" wide. They (ACS) passed me over to one of their tech types. He said it was the same stuff, that the manufacturer pulls it tighter which makes it a little narrower. The roll still had 30 bundles, but I don't know if each bundle had the same number of strands. > Well I intend to raise bloody hell with them and If we don't all complain they will keep doing > more!!! Good luck. Let me us know what you find out. Infinity's Forever, JD From: SWrightFLY@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:21:22 EST Subject: Re: COZY: Cozy: 3" UNI Tape In a message dated 2/7/99 8:12:59 PM Central Standard Time, ics@ime.net writes: << I am really very angry with the way things are going on getting material. Another order I put in they quoted 19 dollars a gallon plus >> Many years ago I was "SPRUCED" as you have been but I ordered from Aircraft Spruce for the last time. I now will buy only from WIx Aircraft who treats the customer great and gets the order right most of the time. Steve Wright Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:35:19 -0800 From: spruce@deltanet.com (Aircraft Spruce & Specialty) Subject: COZY: reply Dear Dick, We received a copy of the email you posted to the cozy builders regarding our 3" unidirectional tape. We went to pull the product off the shelf and you are right, the tape did in fact measure out to 2-1/2" inches in width. In actuality the tape is exactly the same as it has always been. The specs for the tape are not determined by the width, but rather by the number of strands of roving in the tape, which has not changed. The tensile strength and flex are based on a 27-30 strand tape. Ours has always been 30 strand. Because the weave can vary in tightness the actual width of the tape can vary. Many people have actually told us that they find it a lot easier to work with with the weave tighter, cutting down the width. Anytime you have a concern or comment on a product we sell we would appreciate it if you would direct the comment to us along with your building buddies. We pay a lot attention to customer feedback such as yours and Frank Johanson's. We address any product quality issues immediately and the feedback helps us to stay on top of the 30,000 products we sell and the service we provide for our customers. If we can be of any future service to you please let us know. Sincerely, Jerry Aguilar Aircraft Spruce West ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Frank, We received a copy of your email posted to cozy builders and promptly checked on the product you ordered. I personally checked the Alphapoxy resin and hardener in stock and although the containers are not filled to the top they do in fact contain a "gallons" worth of resin and hardener. The containers in reality hold a little more than a gallon. I checked the resins of many other manufacturers using the same containers and all are filled to the same approx. height in the container. As for the cost of the resins and hardeners, in this case Alphapoxy, you are absolutely right. The cost was $19.85 a few weeks ago, as your invoice notes. The reason for the tremendous increase in price for the item is human error. We were actually selling gallons at the half gallon price. You like many others took advantage of the low price while it lasted. Sorry guys we now have corrected the error. In the 98-99 catalog both resin and hardener are listed at $37.25 a gallon. This was our price as of June 1998. The current price for these products is $29.75 for the resin and $32.85 for the hardener, a pretty substantial reduction in both cases. Aircraft Spruce is now the manufacturer of these products. In the past few months we were out of the product because the transition caused us to backorder the product for a very short time. The transition also brought lower prices which we are now passing on to the consumer. Frank, we appreciate you comments and concerns, but would also appreciate it if you contact us first with your concerns before posting comments insinuating or speculating that we are cheating our customers. Aircraft Spruce has been in business supplying quality parts for nearly 40 years, an impossible task if cheating were a part of our business plan. As always, if there is a mistake or error in ordering product from us we do everything we can to rectify the problem and insure customer satisfaction. Should you have any additional concerns please feel free to contact me. Jerry Aguilar Aircraft Spruce West ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AIRCRAFT SPRUCE & SPECIALTY CO. 225 Airport Circle Corona, CA 90270 U.S.A. Tele: 909-372-9555 Fax: 909-372-0555 Order Desk: 800-824-1930 Customer Service: 800-861-3192 Email: info@aircraft-spruce.com WWW: http://www.aircraft-spruce.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:16:32 -0500 From: "Marc J. Zeitlin" Subject: COZY: Vendor Addition People; I'd like to announce that Jerry Aguilar of Aircraft Spruce is now a member of the COZY mailing list (ACS is certainly a vendor of COZY parts, if anyone is). I'm making this announcement because ACS is substantially larger and more commercial than the rest of the vendors on the list, and Jerry and I have had a long discussion regarding the non-commercial nature of the list. Jerry's request to be added to the list was precipitated by the recent discussion of epoxy shorting on some orders. While certainly germane to the issue of COZY building, I think that any dispute with a vendor should be brought to the attention of the vendor directly and a solution worked out (if possible). Only then should the whole mailing list be brought into it, and as the charter states; Suppliers may not disparage other supplier's product nor any competitor in postings to the whole list, nor may other members do it by proxy for the supplier. This does not in any way restrict discussion on parts, services, or safety issues, as long as no disparaging comments (obvious or subtle) are made. Anyone may state any facts on which they have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE or official notification regarding purchased items from any supplier, on or off the list. This latest epoxy discussion skirted this line closely, if not crossing it - please be careful in the future. Not just because ACS is listening - this clause has been in the charter for 4 years, and it's there for a reason. Anyway, as with our other vendors, I hope that Jerry will be able to help us out on occasion. -- Marc J. Zeitlin marcz@ultranet.com http://www.ultranet.com/~marcz/ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 03:16:10 -0800 From: Frank Johanson Subject: Re: COZY: Vendor Addition Hello Jerry and welcome to the list. To let every one know , I received the epoxy that jerry (from A.S.) promised. Thank you very much for your help in this matter. Jerry , I want you to know that your joining this group and to offer your time in our efforts , really means more to me than everything else. This is a long term effort and giving of your time for everyone's benefit. I think it is great to have more venders on line, Mark I hope this might start a trend. Mark I here and was aware of the issues you mentioned. Not being a vendor I felt I was within the charter. Critique take with the good will it was offered with, I asked for the input , that is how we improve. Censer Thanks (FTJ) Jerry I will gladly apologize for not giving you the chance to handle this first before posting it to the group. I must say that hind site is 20/20 and I was very angry. Again thank you for your efforts and lets go on with our building. To the Canard Aviators , Thanks also for your thoughts and inputs. Thanks To All Frank Johanson Marc J. Zeitlin wrote: > People; > > I'd like to announce that Jerry Aguilar of Aircraft Spruce is now a member > of the COZY mailing list (ACS is certainly a vendor of COZY parts, if > anyone is). I'm making this announcement because ACS is substantially > larger and more commercial than the rest of the vendors on the list, and > Jerry and I have had a long discussion regarding the non-commercial nature > of the list. > > Jerry's request to be added to the list was precipitated by the recent > discussion of epoxy shorting on some orders. While certainly germane to > the issue of COZY building, I think that any dispute with a vendor should > be brought to the attention of the vendor directly and a solution worked > out (if possible). Only then should the whole mailing list be brought into > it, and as the charter states; > > Suppliers may not disparage other supplier's product nor any > competitor in postings to the whole list, nor may other members do it > by proxy for the supplier. This does not in any way restrict > discussion on parts, services, or safety issues, as long as no > disparaging comments (obvious or subtle) are made. Anyone may state > any facts on which they have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE or official > notification regarding purchased items from any supplier, on or off > the list. > > This latest epoxy discussion skirted this line closely, if not crossing it > - please be careful in the future. Not just because ACS is listening - > this clause has been in the charter for 4 years, and it's there for a reason. > > Anyway, as with our other vendors, I hope that Jerry will be able to help > us out on occasion. > > -- > Marc J. Zeitlin marcz@ultranet.com > http://www.ultranet.com/~marcz/ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:25:18 -0800 From: Frank Johanson Subject: COZY: Re: Epoxy Jerry Aguilar wrote: > Dear Frank, > I took home a gallon container last night and meticuluosly poured in a > gallon using exact cup measurements and you are right. It filled the > container to the top of the handle. I have processed the order to get > extra epoxy and resin to you. We do not carry a 1/2 gallon container o > f resin so I sent a 1 gallon kit no charge to you. We have now refille > d all of the containers on the shelf so they measure a gallon. Whats f > unny is that we just took this product over a month or so ago but the > previous manufacturer had sold it exactly as we were, because they tau > ght our staff their procedures, with the quantity about 4 fingers from > the top. They were also really surprised when I mentioned to them tha > t the container hold basically an exact gallon. > Sincerely > Jerry Aguilar Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:27:51 -0800 From: Frank Johanson Subject: COZY: Re: Epoxy Jerry Aguilar wrote: > Dear Frank, > Well we finally have made a firm decision on this epoxy situation, whi > ch does not effect our resolution of your problem. The price of the ep > oxy was actually priced out for a 7/8 gallon, which is what you got ap > proximately. If we were to increase the epoxy to fill the container it > would effect the price, we would have to increase it. So really Frank > we are sending what customers are paying for (the description of the > product is what is wrong). We are now going to state in the catalog th > at the resin is sold in 7/8 of a gallon. the original manufacturer pro > bably did it this way because when you sell it in a kit, as opposed to > individual gallons the mixture ratio is approx 7/8 gal resin to 3/8 g > allon hardener. So as not to keep some containers with 7/8 and others > totally full they simplified it and made all 7/8 of a gal. > Just thought you'd like to know. > Sincerely, > Jerry Aguilar Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 13:04:10 -0800 From: Frank Johanson Subject: COZY: Epoxy & A.S. Dear Fellow Builders After giving Aircraft Spruce the time they requested to look in to the matter I am bringing every one up to date on the results. I personally would rather have a full gallon and pay accordingly, since the mixing ratio is 2 to 1 even gallons are better, then there is no question about the amount in volume or dollars. I was also curious when the issue of price was going to come into this evaluation. As far as I am concerned it is not relevant to the issue of the amount of epoxy when the container and catalog both say one gallon. If A.S. must adjust the price so be it. It is still black and white issue at that point and easy to be sure that all is fair and no fast ones are being pulled. And A. S. will not have to change all the labels and the catalog. KEEP IT SIMPLE A. S. Is the best policy. If you agree with my suggestions here please let Jerry know at A. S. If you think I am off base that's ok to let me Know. Best to All Frank Johanson From: Todd Carrico Subject: COZY: Dihedral Canard/Glass Cockpit Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:45:11 -0800 A few weeks back, I remember reading about a Dihedral Canard. Where can I get more information on this? Also, I have heard a rumor about a Glass Cockpit mailing list. Does any one know how I can get on it? Todd Carrico From: ponciroli@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:01:50 -0500 Subject: Re: COZY: Dihedral Canard/Glass Cockpit Todd asked: A few weeks back, I remember reading about a Dihedral Canard. Where can I get more information on this? Todd - Vance Atkinson has a polyhedral canard on his Cozy, He's the guy to ask. From the outside it looks as though the canard has dihedral. However it gives you what you want, additional stability. I think that he has drawings etc. Vance is on this builder's forum. Don Ponciroli@att.net From: N11TE@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:40:25 EST Subject: Re: COZY: Dihedral Canard/Glass Cockpit In a message dated 2/22/99 9:58:51 AM CST, ponciroli@postoffice.worldnet.att.net writes: > Todd asked: > > A few weeks back, I remember reading about a Dihedral Canard. Where can I > get more information on this? > > > > Todd - Vance Atkinson has a polyhedral canard on his Cozy, He's the guy to > ask. From the outside it looks as though the canard has dihedral. However > it gives you what you want, additional stability. I think that he has > drawings etc. Vance is on this builder's forum. > Or, Jeff Russell at AeroCad has a kit for this "bent canard." You may want to contact him for more information. I'd have used this kit but my canard was already built before this kit came out. I understand that measurement of the improvement benefits of this modification are somewhat mixed. Accurate results on stability and speed have been hard to measure, but it sure looks good! Tom Ellis AeroCanard 540 s/n 11 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:41:34 -0500 From: Gary Dwinal Subject: Re: COZY: Dihedral Canard/Glass Cockpit Hi Todd, Jeff Russell at AeroCad sells a pre-molded dehidral canard. He builds nice stuff. I purchased the canard he flew on his AeroCanard prototype before he built his dehidral canard. You can contact Jeff at jeff@aerocad.com Gary Dwinal Todd Carrico wrote: > A few weeks back, I remember reading about a Dihedral Canard. Where can I > get more information on this? > > Also, I have heard a rumor about a Glass Cockpit mailing list. Does any one > know how I can get on it? > > Todd Carrico Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:11:22 -0800 From: Eric Westland Subject: COZY: MSC Possibly you are all aware of this supplier, but after 7 years of building they were new to me and I wish I had discovered them years ago. They are MSC Industrial Supply and have a web page at http://www.mscdirect.com/. They are like Grainger's on steroids and will sell to anyone where Grainger's can be "wholesale only". Their prices are also excellent. Their entire catalog is on an excellent CD and their big catalog has many items that I got elsewhere after lots of searching. They will send a CD to anyone, but you may need to request the catalog be sent to your work address. It's nearly 5,000 pages. I don't think their catalog can be accessed on the web yet. They do have a $25 minimum order. Eric Westland From: "John Slade" Subject: COZY: COZY nosewheels & bearings Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:31:44 -0500 Re Nat's newsletter comment about the nose wheel NWA-1230 being in short supply. A/C Spuce are out of stock. Wicks have 11 in stock. Make that 10. Also the FM10 nylon bearing mentioned in the same article to replace the phenolic otherwise needed to make CS 108 and CS 117. are available singly from WIcks @ .67c each. Nat says you need 6. John Slade #757 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 18:26:38 -0500 From: Jeff Russell Subject: COZY: Re: [c-a] dihedral "V. Atkinson" wrote: > I would certainly not build a new canard just to have a bent one, the > difference is not that noticeable. But when the great one suggests," > if your gonna build a new canard anyway, put in the bend..........". > and that's the rest of the story. We make this type part for airplanes and this part is under evaluation from Co-Z Development. Until we get approval from them on this part, any use from builders on a Cozy type airplane will be notified that their registration of their airplane should not bear the Cozy name. Here is a piece of our settlement agreement that spells this out for the builders of Cozy type aircraft. 5. Approval of Cozy Components Co-Z agrees to inspect and approve or disapprove Licensed Components to be sold as Cozy Components in conjunction with the visit by Nat Puffer to the 1999 air show called Sun ’n’ Fun. Thereafter, for each Licensed Component which AeroCad intends to sell as a Cozy Component, the first component manufactured by AeroCad, prior to sale to any third party, shall be delivered to Co-Z, at the expense of AeroCad, for approval by Co-Z. Co-Z agrees to grant or deny its approval of such component as meeting the Cozy specification then in effect with respect to form, fit, and function. If Co-Z approves the proposed Component submitted, AeroCad shall have the right to make and sell such components, provided they are identical in form, fit and function to the submitted sample, during the term of this agreement until AeroCad substantially modifies the Cozy Component, or Co-Z informs AeroCad in writing that the specification for the Cozy Component has been substantially modified, without any need for further submission of the approved Cozy Component to Co-Z. In the event that Co-Z does not approve of the component delivered by AeroCad for approval, and provides written disapproval to AeroCad within fifteen (15) days from the date of delivery, together with a specific list of the reasons for such disapproval, AeroCad shall not manufacture and sell such component as a Cozy Component. In the event that Co-Z does not respond to AeroCad within fifteen (15) days from the date of receipt of the component submitted for approval by AeroCad, the component shall be deemed approved as a Cozy Component. 6. Non-Cozy Components Notice In addition to the requirements for labeling as set forth in Paragraph 4 above, AeroCad agrees that for all Licensed Components which are designated Non-Cozy Components, AeroCad shall: (a) provide a statement on each quotation and each invoice for the sale of such Non-Cozy Component stating: “Customer agrees that any airplane built by customer incorporating a Non-Cozy Component will not be registered with the Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) under a name or identification which includes the word ”Cozy” or ”Mark IV.” Customer further agrees that if customer procures insurance for the airplane incorporating a Non-Cozy Component, the airplane shall not be identified with any name or identification that includes the word ”Cozy” or ”Mark IV.” Customer understands that a Non-Cozy Component has not been approved by Co-Z Development Corporation. and; (b) not make any reference to ”Cozy” and/or ”Co-Z Development Corp.” in connection with the advertising, sale, or offer to sell such Non-Cozy Component.” -- Jeff Russell/AeroCad Inc. Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:42:35 -0600 From: Rob and Carla Kittler Subject: COZY: Aero sport power A Correction regarding the phone number listed in the latest cozy news letter. (page 65-4) The correct number for Aero Sport Power is 250 376-2955. The listed number is a fax number. Don't know if it is their fax number though. Spoke with them today regarding pricing and a host of other issues. Very helpful and pleasent to speak with. Regards Robert Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:17:24 -0400 From: Neil Clayton Subject: COZY: Attaboy for Matco Without going into the details, Matco went far out of their way twice to accommodate my needs recently, and I wanted to use this forum to say "thank you" to them. Neil C Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:10:49 +0200 From: Jean-Jacques CLAUS Subject: COZY: baggage pods Hi all, Does anyone knows where I can buy a baggage pod set of plans ? Thanks, Jean-Jacques CLAUS France Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:04:26 +0200 From: Jean-Jacques CLAUS Subject: Re: COZY: Front Hinged canopy Todd Carrico a écrit: > Where can we get a hold of Uli Woelter? > > tc > You can "e-mail" to ULI WOLTER at mailto:flyclassic@aol.com Jean-Jacques CLAUS France From: alwick@juno.com Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:46:46 -0700 Subject: COZY: superfil prices For those interested in trying Polyfiber product "Superfil", I just discovered that if you order direct from Polyfiber, you pay and extra $30 per 3 gallon kit! Pretty ironic that ordering direct from mfg. results in 25% price increase. It's currently $121 from spruce, $151 from Polyfiber. -al wick Canopy Latch System guy. Artificial intelligence in Cockpit Cozy sn 389 driven by stock Subaru 2.5 ltr.93% complete. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: anneandwill@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: COZY: superfil prices Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:15:15 +0000 To Polyfiber's credit, when I ordered some of their waterbased paint (which is NOT currently carried by the normal distributors) and some Superfil, they told me that I could get the Superfil cheaper from Aircraft Spruce or Wicks and even told me the price that AS was selling it for! I have found the at Polyfiber excellent people to work with - very helpful, and honest. Will > Not ironic at all. I ran into the same thing with PTM&W when I tried to buy > Aeropoxy directly from them. They don't want to deal with the onsies and > twosies type customer. It is not profitable for them. They need to sell in > large quantities to realize a profit. > > Russ Fisher > > -----Original Message----- > From: alwick@juno.com > > > >For those interested in trying Polyfiber product "Superfil", I just > >discovered that if you order direct from Polyfiber, you pay and extra $30 > >per 3 gallon kit! > >Pretty ironic that ordering direct from mfg. results in 25% price > >increase. It's currently $121 from spruce, $151 from Polyfiber. > > Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 06:06:47 -0400 From: Jeff Russell Subject: COZY: Vender notice: Cozy Approved Parts Cozy Approved Parts: We now have pre-molded parts approved by Co-Z Development to be sold as Cozy Parts. These parts are now listed on our updated website. Please check this out at: http://www.Aerocad.com Thanks Nat and the group for your support. -- Jeff Russell/AeroCad Inc. Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:40:10 -0700 From: Wayne Lanza Subject: COZY: Composite Design Web Site Hello to the Group, Please visit Composite Design's new web page. Many of you have been bugging me to start the page, well here it is... It's some what in a state of flux, so bear with us as while we get all of the products scanned in & organized. I'll be adding the Cozy & EZ type speed brake kits soon as well as a few new items. Happy Building & Fly Safe Wayne Lanza visit us at: http://www.integrityonline15.com/wwerner Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:38:41 +0200 From: lecoqben <"lecoqben"@club-internet.fr> Subject: COZY: Reception of my exhaust stack. Hello to everybody from France. I have been out of the net for quite a time for many reasons, one of them was that my computer was crashed by the so called CIH virus. I got it through my kid that loaded a CD rom game which had that virus ( Watch out , guys!!!!) One of the main objective of that message is to applause for the service I got from Custom aircrafts parts when I ordered my exhaust from them. I ordered it last December and told them to ship it via US mail to France because the shipping cost was lower. Guess what happened: it got lost. After a few exchanges with Clinton Anderson ( The owner of Custom aircrafts parts), he offered to resend a new set with only the shipping cost. I just received it yesterday ( via UPS of course). Thanks a lot for your service, Clinton. Of course , we are researching for the previous package and if it is found , I will make sure Clinton gets payed for it. Happy building. Benoit LECOQ. From: "John Slade" Subject: COZY: alternative hardware supplier Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:11:55 -0400 Builders, Does anyone know of an alternative supplier for ANY of the Cozy MkIV hardware? Right now I'm looking at the parts for Chapters 11,12 & 13. (torque tube offsets etc.) The stuff from the current, as I understand it, sole supplier, seems to be both expensive and inaccurate. So far I've received two ill fitting parts out of three and I've read of many other complaints. I don't have the machinery to make the stuff myself, but there's an opportunity for someone who has. John Slade Cozy MkIV #757 (building the canard) Progress: http://kgarden.com/cozy From: vaatk@flash.net Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:42:40 -0500 Subject: COZY: Re: [c-a] Fuel level sensor Call Harvey Ackerman at Precision Instrument Control Inc tel 817 498 2475 . He has a very good system and reasonably priced. Vance Atkinson "Putney, Gordon A." wrote: > [The Canard Aviators's Mailing list] > > I am looking for a generic capacitive sensor suitable for most display > types. Any recommendations? Fuel may be gas or diesel. > > \ > ->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-|- > / > -For details on sponsors of this list, copyrights, and how to remove > -yourself from this list, please visit: > > http://www.canard.com/ca-ending.html > > (c) 1997,1998, 1999 Canard Aviators. support@canard.com > / > -|-<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > \ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:20:07 -0400 From: Paul Krasa Subject: Re: COZY: alternative hardware supplier A local cozy iv builder found a great alternative supplier. Himself. He took a adult ed. machine shop course and made his parts as class projects. I have looked at his work. It is excellent, and he did not have to invest in alot of expensive machine equipment. Paul Long EZ 214LP From ???@??? Mon Jun 14 20:52:33 1999 Return-Path: owner-cozy_builders@betaweb.com Received: from twc2.betaweb.com (majordomo@betaweb.com [206.43.209.18]) by acestes-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with ESMTP id MAA04408 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by twc2.betaweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23931 for cozy_builders-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:17:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: twc2.betaweb.com: majordomo set sender to owner-cozy_builders@betaweb.com using -f Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by twc2.betaweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23926 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:17:54 -0400 Received: from paul ([12.72.148.214]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990614160014.VBBI17001@paul> for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:00:14 +0000 From: "Paul Stowitts" To: "'Cozy Builders Group'" Subject: RE: COZY: Smooth Prime Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:02:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beb67f$8755c6c0$d694480c@paul> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-cozy_builders@betaweb.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Paul Stowitts" X-UIDL: b3e7d63fc86f7c8239d2343f7a75e03f Poly-Fiber's order number is (800) 362-3490. Regular phone and fax are (909) 684-4280 and (909) 684-0518, respectively. Paul Stowitts Cozy Mark IV #200 -----Original Message----- From: owner-cozy_builders@betaweb.com [mailto:owner-cozy_builders@betaweb.com]On Behalf Of Epplin John A Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 7:25 AM To: cozy_builders@canard.com Subject: COZY: Smooth Prime Where can I get Smooth Prime from? Wicks will not have it till next month, they say it is sold direct from the manufacturer. Someone surely has the phone or URL or address etc for it! Thanks John Epplin Mk4 #467 je25272@deere.com Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:20:13 -0400 From: Neil Clayton Subject: COZY: Brock attaboy I recieved my MK-AA nose axle fork assembly from Brock this week. What a nice looking job. Rather than putting it on the plane I'm thinking of putting it in a glass display case on my desk. Parts like this remind me why I became an engineer. It really is a thing of beauty. Good job Brock! Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:11:48 +0200 From: lecoqben <"lecoqben"@club-internet.fr> Subject: COZY: Re: [c-a] Exhausts Richard Goodwin a écrit : > [The Canard Aviators's Mailing list] > > What's the difference between Custom Aircraft's Exhaust and Hall Hunt, > or are they the same thing? > > Richard Goodwin > > \ > ->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-|- > / > -For details on sponsors of this list, copyrights, and how to remove > -yourself from this list, please visit: > > http://www.canard.com/ca-ending.html > > (c) 1997,1998, 1999 Canard Aviators. support@canard.com > / > -|-<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > \ I initially bought Hall Hunt exhausts for my Cozy. I found out that they were just garbage compared to the ones Customs aircraft parts sells. Plus Customs aircrafts parts are super-super providers because the one I got from them were lost through mail between USA and France and they provided new ones free. Discard Hall hunt production. Yours sincerely BenoitLECOQ. Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 22:08:08 -0700 From: Eric Westland Subject: COZY: Great Instrument Vendor I am so pleased with the flight instruments I received from Howard Francis that I wanted to pass along my experience. Nat Puffer runs a line or two in his newsletter mentioning Howard and if you need any of the six basic flight instruments, you should check him out. Two-plus years ago I bought a used attitude indicator, DG, altimeter, VSI, electric turn and bank, airspeed indicator (he paints in the arcs to your specs) and a 2-1/4" vacuum gauge. I saved about $1,000 from what I would have paid for new. All of his stuff is used, but before Howard sends them out, he rebuilds whatever needs doing - he is retired from this profession. Myself and two other local builders have bought from him, the instruments look like new. However, you will be able to judge for yourself since after telling Howard what you want, he sends them to you when they're ready. Then you either accept them and send him a check or return them. Last month it became apparent that my attitude indicator was sticking. Although I was careful to occasionally spin it up during the two years I had it, I probably had not done it often enough, so I called Howard to see if he had a replacement he could send me. He did not at the time, but told me to send mine to him for repair. Well, I just didn't get to it very fast and last week _he called me_ to see what it's status was. So I sent it off and had it back right away as good as new. He even paid for the return shipping. You can contact him at: Howard Francis, 5613 S. Crows Nest Rd., Tempe, AZ 85283 (602) 820-0405. Eric Westland Mukilteo, WA Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:35:12 -0700 From: "LCDR James D. Newman" Subject: COZY: Re: Electronic Ignition > Roger Roy wrote: > Can anyone in the Cozy Gang help me with Jeff Rose's E-mail address, thank. Jeff Rose Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:07:43 +0000 From: Wayne Lanza Subject: COZY: Re:New Products!! Hello to the Group, Regarding the last couple of email discussing the constant speed prop solution... I've just returned from an interesting business trip to Milan, Italy. I am soon to be the US/Canadian distributor for a device called "FlySpeed" (FS). It is basically a prop governor for use with any of the popular electrically adjustable propellors, MT, Ivo, Hoffman, etc. In addition to some VERY sophisticated governor functions it also has display for RPM and MAP. The unit fits in a 3.125" hole, weighs 0.5lb and is expected to retail in the $800 range. I flew with one of these in Rotax 912 powered light aircraft last weekend. The unit was flawless! I have three systems here for evaluation, 2 are going in Velocity's and 1 is going in a Europa demonstrator along with a new 3 bladed prop that I'll also be importing. Sorry, but due to the design of the blades that they are using (Warp Drive), I can't offer the prop to higher power i.e. >160HP (yet)... Oh yeah, almost forgot, I'm in negotiations with DigiFly to represent the new color moving map/engine monitor system too. I brought one of these home with me, it's REALLY NICE!!! I'll update on the FS when we start getting hours on the Velocity installations. If you are interested in the FS let me know, but consider visiting us in April at Sun-N-Fun. I'll be there with the people that I'm be representing & we'll have alot to show. Contact me just before SNF for location info. Until then keep checking the Composite Design web page, we'll get the new stuff up ASAP! Safe Flying, Wayne Lanza check our web page at: www.integrityonline15.com/wwerner ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Russell wrote: I have seen 2 AeroCanards fly with MT props and many Velocities. It normally takes 1000 feet or more to rotate depending on loading. I have taken over 3000 feet to rotate on a hot, heavy day with a CG of 97. The CS props seems to cut in half the rotate distance. Landing with a CS prop will take power above idle or you will fall out of the sky. The Glide slope seems more normal with a FP prop that seems flat. From: "Russ Fisher" Subject: Re: COZY: Prebuild, what can I expect if ordering the kits ?? Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:24:09 -0400 Wydo, Both Aircraft Spruce and Wicks (my preference) have Web sites : www.wicks.com www.aircraft-spruce.com I would recommend you get an estimate directly from them. It would be difficult for most on this list to figure that out since the typical builder only orders a few chapter's worth of materials at a time. Obviously, by combining material into fewer containers you can save weight and space. See ya, Russ Fisher -----Original Message----- From: wydo van de waerdt >Can someone tell me if I order all kits at Aircraft Spruce at once; >What is the Weight >What is the Volume >Wydo van de Waerdt (NL) >Cozy MkIV #????:PRE-BUILD From: "John Slade" Subject: Re: COZY: Prebuild, Looking for !!! Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:28:53 -0400 Hi, I don't know about the size of the shipment, but I have a few thoughts for you which might help: There are a few suppliers to be coordinated - metal hardware from Brock, Canopy & windows for Airplane Plastics, Fiberglass and building supplies from Wicks or AC Spruce (I prefer Wicks). Another consideration might be prefab fiberglass parts - tutleback, seats, armrests, nose cone - maybe even canard and wing cores, fuselage tub etc. All these parts can be coordinated into the same shipment to save costs, even coordinated with other shipments to the same part of the world. I understand that Jeff Russel at AeroCad has done this for some builders around the world who are using some of his molded parts. You can reach Jeff through http://aerocad.com Hope this helps, Regards, John Slade From: "astrong" Subject: COZY: Quick build parts Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:34:56 -0700 "Publicly no-one wants to >admit to changes they're making. 'Fess up people. What are you all up to?" Marc, Here is my two bits worth, check out Innovations at the bottom of my homepage and more are on the way. Regards, Alex Homepage http://www.canard.com/trim "Live your life so you can look anybody in the eye, and tell him to go to blazes!!" Dr. James Walter Strong (1874-1950) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 07:24:19 -0400 From: "Marc J. Zeitlin" Subject: COZY: Quick build parts The inestimable John Slade wrote: >I find it very useful to hear about other people's "deviations" [from plans] >but lately I only get this information privately. Publically no-one wants to >admit to changes they're making. 'Fess up people. What are you all up to? Changes (in order of "importance", at least by my estimation): 1) Matco triple puck brakes Read the archives for info on why I decided to make this change 2) AeroCad wing kits I decided to purchase this because Chris Scida (on Long Island) said that he was able to complete his wings in 2 weeks!! using the kit. Well, four months later I finished, but to be fair, I was working in a basement with no room to move. They came out very nicely, and I was happy with them. Would I do it again? Probably not, just due to the cost factor - doing it yourself is a lot cheaper. If you've got the room, though, I think they would make things go a lot faster, especially if you're scared of hot-wiring (which I'm not). 3) AeroCad pre-fab strakes I decided to get these because the strakes are extremely visible, and I figured that I'd never get mine as smooth as those coming out of a mold. However, there's still a lot of work, they're expensive, and the construction is slightly different than in the plans (although not to any substantial degree). They do come out very nice, but once again, from a cost standpoint, I'm not sure it's worth it. All depends on your time/money tradoff. 4) AeroCad Turtledeck Got this for the same reason as (3). This is relatively cheap, so I'd probably do it again (although I have to say that I did have to heat-form the thing after receiving it - it was too narrow). 5) Nose crank ratchet I added Curtis Smith (nee Bill Theeringer)'s nose crank ratchet (the old version without the cyanoacrylate problem). Wanted the extra safety. 6) Raised the canopy/TB 1" Just to get a bit more headroom. 7) Landing lights in nose cone (homegrown) See my web pages for info - I didn't want any mechanisms to run the lights - I wanted them fixed and I liked the look of the nosecone ones that I had seen in OSH. 8) retractable step (homegrown) I tried to make it as much like Todd Morgan's Cozy III step as I could, but I moved it back to the rear of the thigh rest rather than at the I.P. It's actuated with a push-pull cable. >Come on. Let's hear about other people's experiences with pre-cut cores, >molded tubs, spars & strakes etc. etc. Did they fit? How much time did they >save? Was it worth it? How's that? -- Marc J. Zeitlin mailto:marcz@ultranet.com http://www.ultranet.com/~marcz/ From: "D. Rothrock" Subject: COZY: Quick-build parts Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:38:18 -0400 Hi Group, My project began as a "Plans-Built", Cozy MK-IV. Due to a severe epoxy reaction, I was forced to either "give it up" or take another approach. I have incorporated many Aerocad "quick-build" parts: wings, strakes, spar and others. By using so called "quick-build" I found that I could limit my exposure to epoxy. I also take daily prescription medication and use butyl gloves covered with throwaway gloves, respirator, long sleeve shirts. Now, almost 3 years later, I'm filling & finishing and have ordered my engine. Ninety % of wiring is complete, a local upholstery shop will do the seats. Presently located at a private strip west of Port St. Lucie, Florida, not too far from the Palm Beach area John. If anyone is visiting in this area, stop by and take a look. Don From: "wydo van de waerdt" Subject: COZY: Prebuild, Looking for !!! Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:53:24 +0200 Dear builders, Questions in the category: I am looking for !!! I am looking for a Bill Of Material (MkIV) in digital format, excel will do fine. I am looking for the E-mail address of Ken Brock mfg. Please send me a list of suppliers you got your material from; Specially the one you think have got value for money. E-mail address/ website Can someone give me an indication of what price to expect when buying an O-320 or O-360, with 800 to 1500 hours on it. What are places to look for these type of engines? Regards, Wydo van de Waerdt (NL) #????:Pre-build From: "John Slade" Subject: Re: COZY: Prebuild, Looking for !!! Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:30:45 -0400 >I am looking for a Bill Of Material (MkIV) in digital format, excel will do >fine. Wicks will fax you a proforma invoice listing the entire supplies. Theire 1998 catalog has an excellent list broken down by chapter. Perhaps someone will scan it and send it to you. >I am looking for the E-mail address of Ken Brock mfg. http://www.kenbrockmfg.com/ >Please send me a list of suppliers you got your material from; >Specially the one you think have got value for money. >E-mail address/ website I recommend WIcks. http://www.wicks.com/aircraft/ >Can someone give me an indication of what price to expect when buying an >O-320 or O-360, with 800 to 1500 hours on it. >What are places to look for these type of engines? You'll need an 0-360. Perhaps you'll find one at around 6 - $10,000, but its not easy. You could also "consider" an alternative engine like a Mazda 13B rotary. Not approved, but becoming more widely used. Regards, John Slade From: "Thomas Kennedy" Subject: Re: COZY: Ken Brock's E mail Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:29:42 -0700 Going into ken brock's office is like going back in a time warp to the FBI (in color). Efram Zimbalizt jr is there with the same LTD's out front. I think the most advanced office equipment is an electric typrwriter. I kid you not I have not seen a computer in the building. The machine shop itself if very neat and well maintained. The people are great and eager to help, but they have their style and E mail isn't it from what I can see. Tom Kennedy Doing wings Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:48:24 -0500 Subject: COZY: Ken Brock website From: "Filipovic" Wydo, Although Ken Brock Mfg. e-mail is not currently available, you might find the Brock website interesting. http://www.kenbrockmfg.com/ And for the Cozy Mk IV parts: http://www.kenbrockmfg.com/cozy4.htm Omar Filipovic Mk IV #816 ---------- >From: "wydo van de waerdt" >I am looking for the E-mail address of Ken Brock mfg. > Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 05:26:34 -0400 From: Jeff Russell Subject: COZY: molded vortilons We have made a set of molds for the vortilons that Velocity aircraft uses for their kits. Scott Swing gave us the go ahead to market these parts to the EZ builders. These parts are shown on our website pictures. We have installed them on a Berkut and a Cozy with no problems. These parts have a flange molded on one side to match the wing leading edge. Check them out. E-mail me for their price. -- Jeff Russell/AeroCad Inc. http://www.Aerocad.com Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 19:29:54 -0400 From: "L. Wayne Hicks" Subject: Re: COZY: Ken Brock's E mail Thomas Kennedy wrote: > The people are > great and eager to help, but they have their style and E mail isn't it from > what I can see. > ---------> But they do have a web page. You can look at their catalog to get a good idea on parts and stuff. Pay special attention because there's a separate page devoted strictly to MkIV parts. Something else to consider, after you buy the first few items, they'll take you on faith... i.e., they'll send you the part then you send the check. How many other vendors do that! Wayne Hicks Cozy IV #678 Chapter 18 http://www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/2027 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:05:03 -0400 From: Bill Theeringer Subject: COZY: Ken Brock's E mail Wayne Hicks wrote; Back in the 80's There was a very nice lady named Phyllis working for KB. She would visit her sister in Montecieto on the weekends and would deliver to my house in Santa Barbara for free any orders that I had placed that week. As she left she would say ..."Now don't forget to send Ken a check for that!" With service like that I made sure he got the check on Monday. Bill T. N29EZ From: "John Slade" Subject: Re: COZY: Ken Brock's E mail Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:38:42 -0400 Wayne, >after you buy the first few items, they'll take you on faith... If only the parts would actually fit when they arrive this would be excellent service. In my experience they don't fit 50% of the time. Brock didn't even answer my [polite] letter of complaint. Oh, by the way, the catalog is very confusing, they don't stick to the part numbers in the plans. Its very easy to get the wrong thing. Just another perspective. Regards, John Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 22:59:44 -0600 From: "Capital Steel Inc." Subject: Re: COZY: Volume P.S. This included all except the molded parts like canopy. No mistakes in my order from Wicks. "Capital Steel Inc." wrote: > Wydo > Volume is about 5.5 x 5 x 8 feet, except for the container for the > longerons which took about 2.5 x 7 inches x 9 feet. > Joe Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 09:48:03 +0200 From: Jannie Versfeld Subject: Re: COZY: K.B.M. Parts for the Cozy MKIV cliffordfamily wrote: > > There was a posting today from a builder that stated that all the Ken Brock > parts he has ordered were not built right and did not fit. Go ahead and order from Brock ... everything fits well .... build according to plans and you will have no problem. Brock is a reputable supplier and if anything is wrong he will surely replace at his expense. Jannie Versfeld Cozy #673 South Africa From: "Jim White" Subject: Re: COZY: K.B.M. Parts for the Cozy MKIV Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:27:52 -0700 I have received excellent service and quality from Ken Brock. His parts are expensive, but only compared to making them yourself. Given the amount of work it takes to make most of the parts he produces, as expensive as they may seem, I don't think he is getting rich selling airplane parts. My 2 cents worth, Jim White N44QT From: "campbell" Subject: RE: COZY: K.B.M. Parts for the Cozy MKIV Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:28:37 This is not an unusual response. If you go back through the archives you will find a number of complaints about the price and quality of KB parts. Some people have simply made their own if they has access to the right tools. Most of us just take what we can get and work with the parts to get them to fit. Steve Campbell Cozy # 376 - On wheels, wings done - time to wire. On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:43:07 -0400, cliffordfamily@provide.net wrote... >There was a posting today from a builder that stated that all the Ken Brock >parts he has ordered were not built right and did not fit. We are going to >place our first order with K.B.M. for our Cozy's and now wonder if other >builders have had the same problem with their K.B.M. parts, or if the >problem may have been that the plane was not built accurately enough for >the >parts to fit. >If the K.B.M. parts are not right, is there another source? If any >builders >that have used K.B.M. parts could let us know one way or another, we would >be grateful. Thanks for your help. > >Dave C. #656 >Mike & Thane # 591 > > > > From: cdenk@ix.netcom.com Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:01:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: COZY: B & C Web Page On 10/11/99 12:18:46 you wrote: > >Does anyone know if B & C Specialty Products has a web page and what the >address is? Thanks. > >Paul Stowitts >Cozy Mark IV #200 > > Don't think they have a Web page, but caution with E-mail, apparently no one checks anyone other than their own E-Mail, which means your message may not get read promptly. Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:04:02 -0400 From: kent ashton Subject: COZY: Northern Fiberglass Sales web site for Northern Fiberglass Sales (source of cheap peel ply) http://www.nfgsales.com/ -Kent A. From: "Michael Schrøder" Subject: Sv: COZY: K.B.M. Parts for the Cozy MKIV Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:39:58 +0200 I have had no problem at all with my parts from KB. (I think that the only part I still have to buy is the engine mount). Their parts are of premium quality. Best regards Michael Schroeder, Denmark #220 From ???@??? Wed Oct 13 07:41:25 1999 Return-Path: owner-cozy_builders@betaweb.com Received: from twc2.betaweb.com (majordomo@betaweb.com [206.43.209.18]) by acestes-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with ESMTP id SAA11937 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by twc2.betaweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29961 for cozy_builders-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:41:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: twc2.betaweb.com: majordomo set sender to owner-cozy_builders@betaweb.com using -f Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (smtppop3.gte.net [207.115.153.22]) by twc2.betaweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29955 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:41:29 -0400 Received: from gte.net (1Cust112.tnt2.fort-pierce.fl.da.uu.net [63.24.251.112]) by smtppop3.gte.net with ESMTP for ; id QAA1913386 Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:38:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3804FC1D.3E8107E2@gte.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:39:41 -0400 From: Jeff Russell Organization: AeroCad Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cozy Builders Subject: Re: COZY: Cozy Europe, material References: <000d01bf155d$4792ad40$c9b54991@fae.storkgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cozy_builders@betaweb.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Jeff Russell X-UIDL: 402c1e5b1a86920933e8b224e73bce41 wydo van de waerdt wrote: > What I want to know; > Is there somebody having addresses of manufactures in Europe for glass, > foam, etc.???? > > Thanks in advance. Check with Uli Wolters / Cozy Europe. I do not have his email but someone might on this list. I would think he has the best handle on where to purchase the raw material over there. Nat might have his email account? hope that helps -- Jeff From: "wydo van de waerdt" Subject: COZY: Pre-build: Cozy Europe, material Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:28:16 +0200 Dear builders, This is not a separation movement from the cozy builders in the USA!! But for getting your material in Europe we can have other suppliers. I know we need authorized suppliers !!!!!!!! The manufactures of the material like resin, foam, glass can be located here in Europe, and sold by Wicks or Aircraft Spruce. This means for European cozy builders less shipping cost if we buy direct from the manufacturer. The Resin can be bought from MGS in Stuttgart (Germany), //www.mgs-online.com What I want to know; Is there somebody having addresses of manufactures in Europe for glass, foam, etc.???? Thanks in advance. Regards, Wydo van de Waerdt (NL) #827 (yeah, I have got the plans now) From: cdenk@ix.netcom.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:06:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: COZY: Cozy Europe, material Jeff said Here is his E-mail Also the designers, etc. might publish the actual manufacturer of items such as foam, and glass , including alternate suppliers with their product identification, or generic specifications, where builders worldwide could benefit. I am one that is fortunate to be a couple of days ground transportation from Wicks, Spruce in Georgia wasn't there when I was building. I can picture a real pain with many minor modifications, without a good supply time, it would have taken me much longer, and maybe giving up before I got finished. And thats with good planning ahead. (My building time was 3.5 years). From: "wydo van de waerdt" Subject: COZY: Pre-build :suppliers RST-eng Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:13:28 +0200 Dear builders, Is there someone who ordered some stuff at RST-eng. There antennae are outstanding. ( In the archives, Nat told me) What about the : Audio panel & marker receiver Encoder/textbox Altitude encoder test box Professional head set ELT/antennae I would like to know is this stuff worth the trouble building it your self. Please your reaction. Thanks in advance. Regards, Wydo van de Waerdt (NL) #827 Pre-build From: "John Slade" Subject: Re: COZY: Pre-build :suppliers RST-eng Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:03:20 -0400 Hello Wydo, >Is there someone who ordered some stuff at RST-eng. >There antennae are outstanding. ( In the archives, Nat told me) I got my antenna stuff from there. I also built the RST Audio Panel & Market Beacon. Service was excellent. You can read about my experience at http://kgarden.com/cozy/chap22.htm John Slade, Cozy MKIV #757 From: RonKidd@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:07:37 EDT Subject: Re: COZY: Epoxy Check out http://www.fibreglast.com/. They have all kinds of supplies and instructional information for someone interested in composite construction. I don't think they are on the approved list, but may offer alternatives to those so inclined. Ron N417CZ From: "Hunter, Gary GA SCC" Subject: RE: COZY: Epoxy Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:02:43 -0500 > Check out http://www.fibreglast.com/. They have all kinds of supplies and > instructional information ........ > Nice shopping cite - BUT - way too expensive. These guys are ridiculous !!!! Gary Hunter From: "Rick Maddy" Subject: Re: COZY: FYI: 10% discount at Wicks Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:22:15 -0700 I placed an order a few days ago. I had a big note at the top of my order to mention the ad. Of course I forget to. I called back later in the day, just before closing, and told them I forgot to mention the ad. They happily updated my order to get the 10% taken off. Good thing, it was a big order. I asked and they said they would honor it on later orders too if I mention the ad again. What a great bunch of people. Later, Rick Maddy (cozy@maddyhome.com) Cozy Mk IV #0824: Pre-build (www.maddyhome.com/cozy) P.S. Look, no measurements in this e-mail :) From: "allan aaron" Subject: COZY: Great Job Westach Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:03:01 +1100 Thought it appropriate to tell you all what terrific service I got from Westach (the instrument manufacturers) recently when I bought a specially laid out quad fuel level gauge for my Mustang II. I had a short window of time when I was in San Francisco (I live in Australia) to pick up the unit and I gave the factory only about a week's notice of my requirement. They responded very quickly (via email) with all the information I needed to make an order, made up the instrument to suit my specific requirements and had it waiting at my hotel when I arrived in San Francisco. Haven't tested it yet but it looks nice. I wish more companies served their customers as well - I hope their after-sales service is just as good. Allan Aaron Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 05:15:03 +0000 Subject: Re: COZY: Great Job Westach From: mark w beduhn >> Thought it appropriate to tell you all what terrific service I got from Westach. . . I had a similar experience with Rocky Mountain Instruments. I built a Micro Encoder a couple of years ago (Air speed, altimeter, encoder, air temp, vert air speed etc. all combined into one digital instrument). I love the instrument and use it as my primary airspeed indicator and altimeter. A couple of months ago the LCD display suddenly went blank. After checking the power connections and confirming everything was OK, I reluctantly sent it back to the factory (knowing that it was long out of warranty and they could basically charge me anything they wanted to). After a couple of days I got an E-mail from the factory telling me that they had fixed the problem and were shipping the unit back to me. They said that I had installed a capacitor backwards and that it had failed. Oops! When I received the unit I found that there was no invoice. I called the factory to find out how much I owed them (for such good service I wanted to send them a check right away). They told me that I didn't owe them anything!! Now that's great after-the-sale service!! Mark Beduhn Cozy N494CZ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:40:02 -0700 From: Stefan G Siegel Subject: COZY: Re:Allegro Instruments >Anyone know the web sight address of these folks ? http://www.allegroavionics.com/ Allegro Avionics Peter Dubois 1332 E Hampton Street Tucson, AZ 85716 (520) 327-0426 I will be picking up my engine monitor today and can probably throw in some experiences on installation later this week. As far as the workings of their products go, I only heard positive comments so far. Stefan ------------------------------------------------------------------- Stefan Siegel AME Hydrodynamics Lab University of Arizona Dep. of Aerospace and Mech Eng Building 119 Rm. N614 Tucson, AZ 85721 email to: stefan@u.arizona.edu Phone: (520) 621-9106 Fax: (520) 621-8191 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 18:40:03 -0500 From: Jeff Russell Subject: COZY: Ron Alexander new buisness Ron has started a new business that might help some you guys that are dreading the filling and sanding and painting of your airplane. He has just sold Alexander Sportair Workshops to the EAA and is setting up builder assist programs for a few types of homebuilts. We will be testing out the people he has hired to fill and finish on wings and canards that we are building for the Velocity XL's. Talk to him direct if interested at Sportair.com or 1-800-worksho until his new web site is up and running. To give a price example on what he is doing for us; 1 set of XL wings, 1 set of ailerons, 1 set of elevators, 1 set of rudders and 1 canard filled and primed. These will be picked up and delivered for $3000.00 This price includes material, labor and delivery. I can't beat that with a stick :-) Maybe this might help get more in the air. I will keep you guys posted on how the first set turn out. I will now by mid January. PS: I will still be teaching for the workshops but now will have to wear the EAA hat and shirt. It will be interesting to see how this works out. -- Jeff Russell/AeroCad Inc. E-mail: Jeff@aerocad.com 2954 Curtis King Blvd. Ft. Pierce, FL. 34946 Shop# 561-460-8020 7:00am to 3:30pm Home# 561-344-6200 Website: http://www.Aerocad.com Composite workshop info: http://www.Sportair.com From: SWrightFLY@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:17:47 EST Subject: COZY: Fwd: Status of Audio Flight Avionics Something happened and this did not go through so.........here it is again.......I hope! << I am Peter Rummell, the Chief Engineer from AFA and I am trying to pick up some of the pieces from the fall out of AFA. Specifically, I am trying to honor all orders placed with AFA and will commit to delivering on these orders once I understand the details. Unfortunately I do not have free access to the company records or books and therefore cannot contact customers directly - I don't know who you are. If you have ordered an AV8 or AV10 and are waiting for delivery, I need to hear from you directly. I have limited resources and no financial support at this time, however, if you can show me a bill of sale and are willing to discuss with me delivery terms and conditions then I believe I will be able to provide you with what you ordered. I cannot offer any refunds. Going forward, I am working towards an amicable settlement with my partners that will allow me to continue to support our product line while developing some new and exciting products. I would also like to say that I would appreciate any new business and am offering a 'Referral Bonus' of 10% of the value of the sale to any existing customer who provides me with a customer lead that results in a sale of an engine monitor. Right now, I am sales, marketing and manufacturing all in one - I can use your help! In closing I want to reassure AFA customers, new and old, that I am supporting the AV8 and AV10 and need to hear from those customers awaiting delivery. I will keep you informed of any updates or changes as they occur. Your understanding and continued support of this product is greatly appreciated. The website and 800 number for AFA are still active, however, it is not likely that you will reach me directly using either of these lines of communication. Please contact Peter Rummell directly at wedgie@interlog.com or telephone 416-264-0968. I look forward to hearing from you soon.>> >> Return-path: SWrightFLY@aol.com From: SWrightFLY@aol.com Full-name: SWrightFLY Message-ID: <0.84609b59.25812ae4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:55:16 EST Subject: Re: Status of Audio Flight Avionics To: cozy_builders@canard.com (Cozy Builders), canard-aviators@canard.com (Canard group) CC: wedgie@interlog.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Over a year ago I began researching engine insruments for my Stagger EZ. After months of searching and looking I decided on (AFA) the Audio Flight Avionics AV-10. the main reason is that it had a feature called "bitchin betty" which is a very sexy pleasant voice that will announce (for example) "caution low oil pressure" if the pressure drops below a established level or "caution low battery voltage" if your alternator goes south. So.......I called Rod at the AFA company and he quickly sold me. He ask for a deposit of $500.00 before he builds the unit... which I reluctantly gave him and ---to make a long story short----he has run off with my money and many other canardians money and can't be found. I had all but given up and felt my $500 deposit was history and really felt bad that I talked 4 others in to doing this with me....... but yesterday I got a call from Peter Rummell who said he will make good on my order. So ........Since I got 4 other Canardians to go in with me to get an AV-10 at a good discount and since I am not sure who they all are as they had contacted Rod.......the owner of the Co. directly....here is the latest on the situation directly from Peter. <> I ask you to pass this on to other news groups that may have folks in our situation. In my Nose Lift business as well as my other businesses, I do not accept deposits and only cash checks from customers when I am ready to ship the product. If I take a check and do not have the product ready to ship the check sits on my desk until the Nose Lift is built. Be careful with any vendor who "requires" payment in advance of making the product for you. If this is necessary then the vendor may be behind the "power curve" financially and may be trying to live on your deposit unable to pay the bills and may end up doing to you as Rod did to us. Not all vendors are ethical.........be careful out there. Steve Wright Stagger EZ N700EZ Wright Aircraft Works LLC Wright Aircraft Works LLC: Electric Nose-Lift for EZEs Sponsor- Canard Aviators canard Aviators page From: SWrightFLY@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:55:16 EST Subject: COZY: Re: Status of Audio Flight Avionics Over a year ago I began researching engine insruments for my Stagger EZ. After months of searching and looking I decided on (AFA) the Audio Flight Avionics AV-10. the main reason is that it had a feature called "bitchin betty" which is a very sexy pleasant voice that will announce (for example) "caution low oil pressure" if the pressure drops below a established level or "caution low battery voltage" if your alternator goes south. So.......I called Rod at the AFA company and he quickly sold me. He ask for a deposit of $500.00 before he builds the unit... which I reluctantly gave him and ---to make a long story short----he has run off with my money and many other canardians money and can't be found. I had all but given up and felt my $500 deposit was history and really felt bad that I talked 4 others in to doing this with me....... but yesterday I got a call from Peter Rummell who said he will make good on my order. So ........Since I got 4 other Canardians to go in with me to get an AV-10 at a good discount and since I am not sure who they all are as they had contacted Rod.......the owner of the Co. directly....here is the latest on the situation directly from Peter. <> I ask you to pass this on to other news groups that may have folks in our situation. In my Nose Lift business as well as my other businesses, I do not accept deposits and only cash checks from customers when I am ready to ship the product. If I take a check and do not have the product ready to ship the check sits on my desk until the Nose Lift is built. Be careful with any vendor who "requires" payment in advance of making the product for you. If this is necessary then the vendor may be behind the "power curve" financially and may be trying to live on your deposit unable to pay the bills and may end up doing to you as Rod did to us. Not all vendors are ethical.........be careful out there. Steve Wright Stagger EZ N700EZ Wright Aircraft Works LLC Wright Aircraft Works LLC: Electric Nose-Lift for EZEs Sponsor- Canard Aviators canard Aviators page From: "Nat Puffer" Subject: Re: COZY: Re: Status of Audio Flight Avionics Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:45:19 -0600 Builders, One of our Cozy Builders has already developed a voice annunciated warning system which he demonstrated to a number of us (including Vance Atkinson) at Sun 'n fun and which I wrote up in newsletter #66, page 3. He is scrupulously honest, and gave one to Vance to evaluate. He will supply it either as a kit, or already assembled. Because he received more orders than he expected, he reduced the price and even sent a refund back to the first builders who ordered. For those of you who don't receive the newsletter (or don't read it), his name is Richard Lewis, and his home phone is (423)376-1450. Regards, Nat ---------- > From: David Domeier > To: SWrightFLY@aol.com > Cc: Cozy Builders ; Canard group ; wedgie@interlog.com > Subject: Re: COZY: Re: Status of Audio Flight Avionics > Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 11:03 AM > > Steve, > > Re "....a feature called "bitchin betty" > > I am taking your message to a good friend who owns Ozarks Radio here > in St. Louis. He is a genious with electronics and has expressed the > idea of producing something simular to a bitchin betty. > > How many guys would interested in such a system? > > It could be built it to alert a variety of warnings. > > dd > From: "Capps Family" Subject: RE: COZY: WICKS AIRCRAFT 10% OFF ON AN ORDER Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:52:52 -0600 To get the 10% OFF any Order at WICK's at any-time; JUST say you saw their add. I have had them credit my order when I have forgotten to remind them, they are a great company. Larry -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: COZY: WICKS AIRCRAFT 10% OFF ON AN ORDER Builders, I read this week in the news group that Wicks was offering a 10% discount on your order if you mention seeing either an add or a coupon, I can,t remember which it was or the specifics on how to get it. We are going to place a large order for Cozy's #656 & 591 with Wicks this week and 10% off would sure help us out here. Can anybody fill us in on this deal. Thanks for your help. Dave #656 Mike & Thane #591 From: N433DP@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:42:04 EST Subject: Re: COZY: cover for longeze In a message dated 12/16/99 8:46:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, Cozyone2@aol.com writes: << I am looking for a supplier that makes covers for a longeze. Can anyone help? >> I saw these Two at Osh in 96. They both fit very nice. Leading Edge Aircraft Covers Arlington, Wa.98223 1-800-940-0324 360-435-0342 Covers nose to prop. Prop not covered. Custom Cabin Covers P.O. Box 770361 904-237-1811 Covers from about 1 foot from nose to include the prop. Hope this helps. Doug Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:35:05 -0500 From: Rob and Carla Kittler Subject: COZY: throttle cables For those who will need a Cable Craft throttle cable--thier new phone number is 253-475-1080 Happy Holidays Rob