Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 13:08:38 -0400 From: Neil Clayton Subject: COZY: Inspections I think it's time (probably overdue) for an inspection of my project. I've never had one yet. I know the EAA does them, and I joined the local chapter a couple of years ago for that purpose, but I decided my prostate was in too good condition to keep going to their meetings. Anyway...question; at what stages of the project should I get inspections? Thx Neil C From: "John Slade" Subject: Re: COZY: Inspections Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:25:41 -0400 Neil, I had one tech consultant visit when I'd done the bulkheads (just to be sure I was going in the right direction) and another after chapter 10. I also get independant input from a couple of A&Ps when the opportunity arises. Just before something critical gets closed up or hidden would make sense to me. Too many inspections can't hurt and the EAA guys are usually willing and eagar to visit when you call. >I decided my prostate was in too good condition to keep going to their meetings. :) I never went to one. Too busy building. John Slade, Cozy #757 -----Original Message----- From: Neil Clayton To: cozy_builders@canard.com Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 1:30 PM Subject: COZY: Inspections >I think it's time (probably overdue) for an inspection of my project. > >I've never had one yet. I know the EAA does them, and I joined the local >chapter a couple of years ago for that purpose, but > >Anyway...question; at what stages of the project should I get inspections? > >Thx >Neil C > From: cdenk@ix.netcom.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:41:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: COZY: Inspections Was asked when? A builder's eyes and mind should always be open to other's input, whether it be a formal inspection, a conversation, or whatever. I have had more than a few good suggestions from people that aren't even aviation oriented. Sometimes it a question posed that starts the thinking process. I have tried very hard to attract others to see my project, 2 instances were, helping Dave Ronneberg with a defective alternator on the Bercut 8 years ago, they ended spending the night at our home, and driving Vance Adkinson back to his airplane when a cold front stopped between him and the Lear. Both times I was able to pick brains, but I felt the time and effort (including a 350 mile drive) we well worth it. Summing it up, as often as possible. Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:03:54 -0400 From: "L. Wayne Hicks" Subject: Re: COZY: Inspections Neil Clayton wrote: > > I think it's time (probably overdue) for an inspection of my project. > Anyway...question; at what stages of the project should I get inspections? > ------> I'm no expert, so you might want to verify my responses. I understand the FAA doesn't require any inspection except the one to get the Phase 1 airworthiness certificate just prior to first flight. To me, this is not the real issue. The real issue is getting insurance and being covered the very first flight. Again, this is just my understanding, but I've been told it's to your advantage to agressively participate in the EAA technical advisor program. In the program, your tech advisor inspects your work and sends in an inspection card to the EAA. The more cards you have on file the better your insurance company will work with you. Some insurance companies will cover you from the very first flight if you can adequately show how airworthy your plane is. The EAA tech advisor program will help you with that. Comments from others that have been there before??? Wayne Hicks Cozy IV #678 Chapter 18 http://www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/2027 From: "Alpha" Subject: COZY: Inspections Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:41:07 -0400 I had the same question about inspections (I'm in the build the table stage) so I asked at the Oshkosh Tech Shack during the fly-in. Wayne's answer echos what I was told. The more eyes you have looking at a project the better you will be--keep an open mind to suggestions made. EAA Tech Counselors have expertise in various skills. They printed off a list of Counselors for my state with their area of knowledge. Call EAA HQ and ask for a list for your area. They inspect and send in a card detailing what has been done and their impression of the work. Jim Brewer Albemarle, NC Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:30:21 +0200 From: C van Hoof Subject: Re: COZY: Inspections Hi, We have 5 Cozy builders in our Chapter 322 and have a valuable exchange of information at each meeting, this i'm sure motivates the builders to carry on. It is also an easy way to get updates on the laws and inspections required, we have some real experts in our group, who build a/c for a living, so we can tap their knowledge. We, in South Africa, only need an inspection when something gets closed permanently. It does not help to emerge from the workshop after a few years and have no friends left. :-) We're also deep into teaching others, so instead of the wheel kickers coming around at odd times they come on organized "Safari's" ... I've never regretted joining our local EAA 322 Chapter ... they have helped me more than i could have paid for in tuition :-) Have a look at our Chapter Activities to see what i mean :-) http://users.iafrica.com/c/cv/cvh/322nlhp.htm Happy Building Chris #219 Main Spar Complete, Canard Complete. Elevators Complete. All with help from fellow Eaa'er and Cozy builder Rego Burger see http://home.intekom.com/glen/planes/fb.htm > > was in too good condition to keep going to their meetings. > > Anyway...question; at what stages of the project should I get inspections? > > Thx > Neil C Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:43:51 -0500 From: Michael Link Subject: Re: COZY: Inspections "L. Wayne Hicks" wrote: > .... I've been told it's to your advantage to agressively > participate in the EAA technical advisor program. In the program, your > tech advisor inspects your work and sends in an inspection card to the > EAA. The more cards you have on file the better your insurance company > will work with you. Some insurance companies will cover you from the > very first flight if you can adequately show how airworthy your plane > is. The EAA tech advisor program will help you with that. Hi, Avemco will give you a discount for being an E.A.A. member and member of a local Chapter. They also discount your rate if you participate in the E.A.A. Tech Advisory Program and have at least 3 inspections. In order to be covered during the first 10 hours, you need to participate in the E.A.A. Flight Advisor Program. Regards, Michael Link COZY MK-IV N-171-ML Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:16:19 -0700 From: "LCDR James D. Newman" Subject: COZY: Re: Inspections Hi Neil, Wayne, Jim and All, > > Neil Clayton wrote: > > I think it's time (probably overdue) for an inspection of my project. > > Anyway...question; at what stages of the project should I get inspections? Your Technical Counselor has a handout document for builders in his Technical Counselor binder from EAA National that covers recommended times for inspections. > Wayne Hicks wrote: > ------> I'm no expert, so you might want to verify my responses. I > understand the FAA doesn't require any inspection except the one to get > the Phase 1 airworthiness certificate just prior to first flight. True, and that's mostly to make sure your paperwork is in order. > Wayne Hicks wrote: > To me, this is not the real issue. The real issue is getting insurance and > being covered the very first flight. Again, this is just my > understanding, but I've been told it's to your advantage to agressively > participate in the EAA technical advisor program. In the program, your > tech advisor inspects your work and sends in an inspection card to the > EAA. The more cards you have on file the better your insurance company > will work with you. Some insurance companies will cover you from the > very first flight if you can adequately show how airworthy your plane > is. The EAA tech advisor program will help you with that. > > Comments from others that have been there before??? > Jim Brewer wrote: > I had the same question about inspections (I'm in the build the table stage) > so I asked at the Oshkosh Tech Shack during the fly-in. Wayne's answer > echos what I was told. The more eyes you have looking at a project the > better you will be--keep an open mind to suggestions made. EAA Tech > Counselors have expertise in various skills. They printed off a list of > Counselors for my state with their area of knowledge. Call EAA HQ and ask > for a list for your area. They inspect and send in a card detailing what > has been done and their impression of the work. All the above is correct. Basically EAA National has about 700 Technical Counselor's around the world (all volunteer work) that inspect a home builders plane as s/he builds it. Basically we (EAA) took over the inspections that used to be done by the FAA during a builders construction. The Flight Advisor (about 300+ world wide - all volunteer work too) program helps a builder prepare for his first flight to get familiar with what it takes to flight test a plane. Most Sport Aircraft (I don't like using the term "Experimental or Homebuilt Aircraft" - Joe and Jane Civilian go nuts when they hear it) incidences (there is no such thing as an accident) statistically occur during the first 10 hours and/or 10 landings. A builder wanting insurance for the first 10 hours and 10 landings MUST have a minimum of 3 inspections by a Technical Counselor, and MUST go through the Flight Advisor program. To get this Technical Counselor and Flight Advisor service, the builder MUST first also be a member of EAA National. This is the ONLY way a builder will get his plane inspected and himself to meet the requirments to get the insurance for the first 10 hours and 10 landings. I think Avemco is still the only insurance company offering this coverage in conjunction with the EAA Nationals Technical Counselor and Flight Advisor Programs. If you don't like Avemco and/or their rates, you can always switch insurance carriers after your first 10 hours and 10 landings. As the guys said above, contact your local EAA Chapter and/or EAA National for further details about the Technical Counselor and Flight Advisor programs. Hope this helps (HTH). Infinity's Forever, EAA Nat'l & LCL Member EAA Technical Counselor JD EAA Flight Advisor AOPA Member Test Pilot SOTW, OJAAT From: ponciroli@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:52:00 -0400 Subject: Re: COZY: Inspections Neil C wrote, I think it's time (probably overdue) for an inspection of my project. I've never had one yet. at what stages of the project should I get inspections? Neil - as soon as you start to get some significant things put together you should have an inspection. The inspectors can see if you are on the right track and if not, they can get you an the roight track to safe building before you get too far along. I found out some things about thread exposure that I not have picked up had they not been there. I had my first inspection after the tub was built, then another when the canard was going together, a third when it was on the wheels, and I'm going to have my fourth when the wings are on. When you get three favorable endorsements the FAA will almost assuredly give you the temp airworthiness cert. Insurance decreases and the first flight is also insured. An EAA inspection is good all the way around. Each time I have those guys over I reward them with a good meal and they get to take home a bottle of home made wine. That's the least I can do for guys that put so much of their spare time in for the safety of flight. Don Ponciroli ponciroli@att.net Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:10:34 -0500 From: "Edmond A. Richards" Subject: COZY: ID Plate Location Greetings All, A few months ago we discussed options for the metal ID Plate location. I’m happy to say that today I received my Airwothiness Certificate :-) and the only squawk was the location of the ID Plate. I had located the Plate on the inside of the left, lower winglet, no good. The preferred location, at least according to this gentleman, is under the left strake just forward of the engine cowling. Obviously I’m delighted with this being his only complaint, and I just thought I would pass on the info to the group. Once the first flight is completed (hopefully within a week or two) I will give a full report. Ed Richards Cozy Mark IV N826ER