Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:18:40 -0500
From: Ken Reiter <ken@quickturn.com>
Subject: Re: COZY: Front Seats

Hello Allan,

In our CozyIII, I made the access panels under all three seats.
The area does look tight; however, it is useful

	- under the pilot's is the ELT / landing light

	- under passenger per Vance/Ken is a spare nose wheel with hub
	( Vance/Ken Francis and others have thousands of hours in type)
	( I did not think of this but how many FBO have our size tire
	( and there is still room for other small things )

	- Under back seat space is currently open

I may go with a different trim setup; but, after a couple of delays
due to mods while building - I would build per plans then modify.

Keep Building - IT IS WORTH IT,
Ken Reiter


Allan Aaron wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Just finished building my front seat thigh supports and curved
> bulkheads.  That space underneath the front seat looked very handy for
> storing medium sized odd objects till I remembered that the roll trim
> cables run pretty much through the most usable part.  So a couple of
> questions -
> 
>    * Is the space there ever going to be really useful?
>    * If so, has anyone come up with a better roll trip system that
>      doesn't mess up the area? (I remember seeing one based on torsion
>      spring some time ago)
> 
> I will ultimately go with an electrical system, I think.  I was
> thinking about putting in a MAC servo and driving the plans roll trim
> system (lever) with it.  I question whether it would be better to put
> in an alternative electrical trim (such as Vance Atkinson's drawn up
> in the CSA) and presume this would mean I don't need the plans system.
> 
> Any thoughts?  Thanks
> 
> Allan
> .
>

From: cdenk@ix.netcom.com
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:05:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: COZY: Front Seats

Arron writes <roll trim/front thigh support>
The trim cables aren't such an issue, they are fairly high. The real issue is 
access: There is no way to bend an arm/wrist, or have a long enough arm to 
reach into the area to retrieve objects. A couple of times I got a stainless 
steel screw in there, and it was a problem to retrieve it.

Under the pilots seat, I have an ADF antenna with a screwed down cover.

My rear thigh support (which is the same shape as the front) is hinged at the 
aft edge, with two over center fasteners forward. It is very handy for storage 
of tiedowns, tools, etc. It is very near the c.g. which helps balance. The 
cover is rectangular to clear the armrests.

Also remember to make guards between the rear armrests and the front seat back 
for protection of controls from luggage.


From: "James K. Glindemann" <jglind@netspace.net.au>
Subject: Re: [canard-aviators] Re: COZY: Paint Stripping
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:58:39 +1100

Sorry, can't agree with this reply. And I hope there will be a chorus of
postings supporting me in saying no way do you apply chemical paint
strippers to com	posite structures. NEVER.

Plenty of carefull application of sand paper and elbow grease is probably
the most practical technique that I know of, unfortunately.  I would be
pleased to find a better SAFE method.

There may be better ways (maybe plastic media blasting but even then I
would be very very carefull [we tried using this method on a Sikorsky S76
with very poor results but there could be some better operators of this
equipment out there ] )

regards,

Jim Glindemann
Long EZ   VH-JZE
V 173 RG under construction


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> From: cdenk@ix.netcom.com
> To: kingkozy@pacbell.net; canard-aviators@canard.com;
cozy_builders@canard.com
> Subject: [canard-aviators] Re: COZY: Paint Stripping
> Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 11:40 PM
> 
> [The Canard Aviators's Mailing list]
> 
> Roberts writes <stripping paint>
> 
> 30 years ago I stripped a Navion. We rolled the stripper on, used a
> steam cleaner to clean off. Worked just great. 3 guys in less than 8
> hours, the airplane was ready for paint. In the 2 years we had the plane
> after that, there were no problems with paint.
> 
> Would be very concerned with stripper attacking the epoxy, in particular
> with epoxy or urethane 2 part paints. Thread lightly, test on a small
> area, and then still be careful. Could be several different epoxies used
> for construction.
> 
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From: "Michael R. Scovel" <taildragger@provide.net>
Subject: COZY: Fw: Stripping our aircraft
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:30:04 -0500

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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>This is an area that I may have a little 
experience.&nbsp; When it comes to stripping your composite aircraft, somebody 
suggested to sand.&nbsp; This is probably the best choice.&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Sorry....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>I represent a company called Metallizers of 
Mid-America.&nbsp; We have on occasion stripped aircraft ( Aluminum) here in the 
Detroit area.&nbsp; We use Baking Soda, and follow very stringent procedures on 
clean up to ensure that we remove all the residual Baking Soda from the A/C that 
we strip.&nbsp; We attempted a Fiberglass Nose Cone for a Boeing 727.&nbsp; Even 
Baking Soda was too aggressive.&nbsp; We not only removed the paint, but we also 
removed the epoxy resin down into the weave of the fiberglass.&nbsp; 
Opps!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Someone suggested using Walnut Shells.&nbsp; I would 
not recommend this media to strip your A/C as it is much more aggressive than 
Baking Soda.&nbsp; Also, because it does not break down on impact as does baking 
soda, nor will it completely wash away like Baking Soda.&nbsp; Walnut Shells 
will however, tend to collect and impact in areas that you most certainly don't 
need or want it.&nbsp; It will also be very difficult to remove from the afore 
mentioned areas, if not completely impossible.&nbsp; This problem also applies 
to Glass Bead and Plastic Bead.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>If you are still inclined to use a form of mechanical 
stripping, I would not recommend that you attempt to do any mechanical stripping 
without the following: 1) Proper and well maintained equipment (Baking Soda 
Blast Cleaning utilizes specialized equipment, not just ordinary sand blast 
pots) with some way of controlling the air pressure very accurately.&nbsp; 2) 
Gathering a good deal of experience on a piece of no value before attacking your 
A/C. (Hint - move quickly and do not stay in one place for any length of 
time.&nbsp; Better to make a number of light passes than to concentrate on a 
given area.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>My 2 cents worth (Or more - sorry for the length).&nbsp; <FONT 
color=#000000>Good Luck and Safe flying!!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Mike Scovel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Cozy MKIV (Not started yet)</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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