Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:06:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Bill Jackson Subject: COZY: cups and gloves Hello All, Anyone know a good local source (chain store) for thin cotton glove liners and unwaxed paper mixing cups? I completely forgot the cups when I was at Wicks several weeks ago. I would like to avoid mail ordering small sundry items. Bill Jackson w-jackson@cecer.army.mil Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:40:11 -0500 From: tpierce@ghg.net (Terence J. Pierce) Subject: Re: COZY: cups and gloves Bill Jackson wrote: > > Hello All, > > Anyone know a good local source (chain store) for thin cotton glove liners and > unwaxed paper mixing cups? I completely forgot the cups when I was at Wicks > several weeks ago. > > I would like to avoid mail ordering small sundry items. > > Bill Jackson > w-jackson@cecer.army.mil Bill, I don't know about the cotton glove liners, but as far as cups go. I use the plastic Solo cups that I get at Wal-mart. They are cheaper and they work better because they don't leach up the epoxy. I get 20 Solo cups for $ 1.97 which is 60 cups for less than $6.00, where AS&S want $7.00 for 50 paper cups, plus shipping. -- Terry Pierce mailto:tpierce@ghg.net Cozy Mark IV #600 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:01:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Tom Brusehaver Subject: Re: COZY: cups and gloves >>>>> "T" == Terence J Pierce writes: T> I use the plastic Solo cups that I get at Wal-mart. They are T> cheaper and they work better because they don't leach up the T> epoxy. Gotta watch these cups. If you have a large batch of epoxy "go off", they will melt. I use 'em, and had a couple deform so bad the hot epoxy spilled all over my bench. No great loss, my bench is a mess always :-). >>>>> "M" == Mahan writes: M> Bill, save your empty margarine tubs. Wash them out and they work M> just as well. M> Fred the cheapskate in Florida I use yogurt containers too, for small batches. They are less likely to melt, and are free. I think our house goes through 10 or more a week, as opposed to margarine. Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:24:04 -0400 From: bil kleb Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Subject: Re: COZY: cups and gloves Bill Jackson wrote: > > ...unwaxed paper mixing cups... if you do go with the paper cups, remember they work better the second and third and ... time you use them. in other words: reuse them after the epoxy's cured and you've scratch-tested the epoxy for proper cure. > ...thin cotton glove liners... sometimes also called inspection gloves... i never could find any locally, so i placed a big "safety" order with lab safety supply (http://www.labsafety.com/ or (800) 356 0783). -- bil Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:02:51 -0500 From: Bulent Subject: Re: COZY: cups and gloves I have not used paper cups for a long time. I use the bottom part of drinking water botles. Just cut the bottom part and you have clean transparrent disposable cup for free. Can't beet the price. Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:08:49 -0500 From: Bulent Subject: COZY: cups Also for small amounts i use cups from jello deserts. They wash easy, jello is great and cups for free. Another chepscate in FL. From: "mel" Subject: Re: COZY: cups and gloves Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:08:46 -0400 cotton glove liners are always available at photo supply stores (the ones that sell chemicals and finnishing supplies). the cheapest cheepskate in fl norm & monda cozy IV #202 ---------- > From: Bulent > To: Cozy_Builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com > Subject: Re: COZY: cups and gloves > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 5:55 PM > > If your cup starts melting from the heat you are in trouble anyway and > should discard it. The water bottle and jello cups do not melt. Some > yogurt containers do. Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:55:26 -0500 From: Bulent Subject: Re: COZY: cups and gloves If your cup starts melting from the heat you are in trouble anyway and should discard it. The water bottle and jello cups do not melt. Some yogurt containers do. From: SBLANKDDS@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: COZY: cups and gloves >>>>RE: Paper Cups....vs plastic solo type cups.>>>> Be cautious about using plastic cups if the bottom is not wide and you mix a large batch. It will build up heat and exotherm.(set in the cup and get very hot). I have been using the same paper cups from wicks since I started. After each use they become stronger!!! If I mixed flox in a cup, then some day when I have excess resin, I pour it over the hardened flox to smooth it out and the cup is reusable a day later. Use the underside of the cups for mixing small batches of 5 minute epoxy. No waste and the cost is not much of a factor... Just tip over one tall cup of resin and the cost is more than the paper cups would be!!! My $0.02 Steve Blank Cozy Mark IV #36... Sanding the bottom and finishing the speed brake. Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:49:55 -0700 From: Mahan Subject: Re: COZY: cups and gloves Bill Jackson wrote: > > I completely forgot the cups when I was at Wicks > several weeks ago. Bill, save your empty margarine tubs. Wash them out and they work just as well. Fred the cheapskate in Florida Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:45:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mr. Radon" Subject: Re: COZY: cups and gloves Every time I go to a discount store, Wall Mart, K-Mart, Fred Myers, ect. I always stop by the bathroom section and check out there cups. One time I found a lot without wax, bough a lifetime supply on the spot cheap. Haven't had much luck with the larger sizes. Cotton gloves we find at Boeing Surplus cheap, but believe it or not the Navy/Nuclear industry uses tons of these, check out a Rad Con supply center or medical supply center. Hope it helps... ROY > Hello All, > > > Anyone know a good local source (chain store) for thin cotton glove liners and > unwaxed paper mixing cups? I completely forgot the cups when I was at Wicks > several weeks ago. > > I would like to avoid mail ordering small sundry items. > > > Bill Jackson > w-jackson@cecer.army.mil > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:11:55 -0700 From: Rego and Noleen Burger Organization: R.N.B. Enterprises Subject: Re: COZY: cups and gloves Terence J. Pierce wrote: >=20 > Bill Jackson wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > Anyone know a good local source (chain store) for thin cotton glove l= iners and > > unwaxed paper mixing cups? I completely forgot the cups when I was at= Wicks > > several weeks ago. > > > > I would like to avoid mail ordering small sundry items. > > > > Bill Jackson > > w-jackson@cecer.army.mil >=20 > Bill, >=20 > I don't know about the cotton glove liners, but as far as cups go. I > use the plastic Solo cups that I get at Wal-mart. They are cheaper and > they work better because they don't leach up the epoxy. > I get 20 Solo cups for $ 1.97 which is 60 cups for less than $6.00, > where AS&S want $7.00 for 50 paper cups, plus shipping. > -- > Terry Pierce mailto:tpierce@ghg.net > Cozy Mark IV #600 Why buy unwaxed paper cups? My wife and son store used tins, condense-milk, jam etc.etc. You guessed it I use the tins. No wax...:-) This principle can be further investigated by taking note of what gets thrown away. Every cent spent on your Cozy is better than on stuff to be thrown out. I sometimes rinse a tin out with acetone and use it again, up to 5 times before using a new one! Gloves I use ( cheap ) plastic delicatesen gloves, no latex rash, just apply some talcum powder before puting them on. These are real cheap here ! Why my wife wont spend a cent if need be! O.K. I'm speaking to poor builders here --=20 R=E9go Burger Cozy Mk4 # 139 Port Elizabeth RSA http://home.intekom.com/glen/rnb.htm Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:53:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Nigel Field Subject: Re: COZY: cups and gloves Hey guys what material do we cover the most with epoxy resin. Well those building wings know the answer, Styrofoam. So why not use styrofoam coffee cups and food tubs from the grocery store. Thats what I have been using for years with no problem. You can re-use them too, but I don't recommend it since pieces of cured epoxy can flake off and make a lump in your mixture then you have to pick it out of the layup, but they are dirt cheap. Same for gloves, the grocery store variety yellow neoprene gloves large size work fine. Wash them with laundry detergent full strength and rinse with water while still on your hands. Turn inside out and let dry, then use em again. Keep 3 or 4 pairs handy so when you accidentally cut the end off one finger with your shears you got another one within reach. Cheers, Nigel Field Subaru Vari-eze MK III on the way Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:22:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Bill Jackson Subject: COZY: cups and gloves I want to thank everyone for their response to my rather mundane question about epoxy mixing cups and glove liners. Its comforting to know that I'm not the only penny pincher trying to build an airplane. I have no problem going into a store to compare prices and leave without spending a dime, though sometimes it works against me. I found a site http://www.wrightsafety.com/catalog/Hand-Protection.html with Lisle inspection gloves for $3.17/dz. I intend to use them with the vinyl gloves I picked up at Walmart. I like the Dairy Queen paper cup idea the best, as the shallow depth would make the mixing and handling easier and be less likely to tip. The Dilly Bars aren't bad either. Now on to table and scale building. Bill Jackson w-jackson@cecer.army.mil From: wilhelmson@scra.org Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:49:26 -0400 Subject: Re[2]: COZY: cups and gloves It is a documented fact that the only type of gloves that will keep someone that is allergic to epoxy from having a reaction is neoprene. The other materials pass the solvents in vapor form. This fact can be verified by anyone who has had a reaction and tried to elliminate it by wearing gloves. Jack Wilhelmson N711CZ From: Marc J. Zeitlin Subject: Re[2]: COZY: cups and gloves (fwd) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 13:18:03 EDT Jack Wilhelmson writes; > It is a documented fact that the only type of gloves that > will keep someone that is allergic to epoxy from having a > reaction is neoprene. "Only" is too strong here. As posted in the archives many times, Butyl rubber gloves are impermeable to the organic solvents in the epoxies we use. I am allergic to the epoxy, use butyl gloves, and NEVER have a reaction unless the epoxy hardener touches my bare skin. While I have not heard that neoprene is impermeable, to these chemicals, it may well be - verification would be appreciated. -- Marc J. Zeitlin Email: marcz@an.hp.com From: wilhelmson@scra.org Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:02:08 -0400 Subject: Re[3]: COZY: cups and gloves (fwd) Marc : You are correct,my statement was to strong. Butyl rubber is even better than neoprene in it's permeability to solvents and vapors, however, neoprene has been proven to be good enough. The point is that many of the posts about gloves for building were talking about latex, vinyl, and other materials that have not been proven. A epoxy reaction is not a nice thing, and I have seen people stop building because they did not realize that the gloves they were using were not protecting them from the solvents and vapors that they are allergic to. Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:22:33 -0700 From: Mahan Subject: Re: Re[3]: COZY: cups and gloves (fwd) > A epoxy reaction is not a nice thing, and I have seen people stop building > because they did not realize that the gloves they were using were not > protecting them from the solvents and vapors that they are allergic to. Mt friend Tom developed an allergic reaction while building his Long-EZ with Safe-T-Poxy. He started using butyl gloves and was able to complete his project without problems. Lucky and dumb, I rarely used any protection at all and got into epoxy up to my elbows. Of course, the next time I did that I might break out in a rash. Now I always use gloves, although they have been latex. Fred in Florida Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: rfisher@spacetech.com Subject: COZY: Acrylic tape I've read either here or in the plans or both about using plastic tape with an acrylic adhesive on a number of things. Reason being that the tape leaves no residue and doesn't glue itself to the part. I've checked everywhere that packing tape is sold and no one has a clue what I am talking about. The rolls are not marked as to the type of adhesive used. Does anyone here have any 3M (or any other mfgr) part numbers for this type of tape? Thanks. Russ Fisher From: Marc J. Zeitlin Subject: COZY: Acrylic tape (fwd) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 97 10:35:50 EDT Russ Fisher writes: >I've read either here or in the plans or both about using plastic tape with an >acrylic adhesive on a number of things......Does anyone here have any 3M >(or any other mfgr) part numbers for this type of tape? Thanks. I have used 3M (or the generic equivalent) _electrical_ tape (_not_ friction tape). I believe it's got an acrylic adhesive, and is available at all hardware stores. I've had it on my canopy for months, and it pulls right off without any residue whatsoever. This is NOT true for masking tape or duct tape. It's very stretchy, and can follow curves well. -- Marc J. Zeitlin Email: marcz@an.hp.com Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 07:42:38 -0700 From: Eric Westland Subject: Re: COZY: Acrylic tape I looked all over as well, ended up buying colored electrical tape. At first I bought the expensive 3M stuff, but then moved to the cheap stuff. It has been on over a year with no trouble, but just to be sure, I stuck a bunch to some canopy scraps and check that every now and then. -eric rfisher@spacetech.com wrote: > > I've read either here or in the plans or both about using plastic tape with an > acrylic adhesive on a number of things. Reason being that the tape leaves no > residue and doesn't glue itself to the part. Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 17:45:26 -0700 From: Jim Cullen Subject: Re: COZY: cups and gloves Being frugal, I found a local source for mixing cups at a very inexpensive price: Dairy Queen! Their sundae cups are unwaxed and the local manager gave me a hundred for free. (Perhaps it was because Carolyn and I are such good customers).... (Which may explain why we'll need to lose 20 pounds each or bust the front seat weight limit...) (Sigh...) Anyway, they're unwaxed, they're the right size, and you can get a case of 500 for less than Wicks charges for 100, if the store manager will let you buy them. The only danger is that they come with a printed reminder of how you can celebrate each and every layup that you do well. And if you do, you'll wind up looking like me. (Carolyn has a special running on coronary bypass surgery this week. Come to think of it, maybe the Wicks price isn't so bad, after all...) Oh -- and for mixing 5-minute? Try the tartar sauce cups at Long John Silver's. Just lay off the fried fish. The broiled fish and rice is fairly palatable, though. See. I told you I was cheap. Jim >