From: Marc J. Zeitlin Subject: Chapter 9 questions (fwd) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 15:17:41 EDT Norm Balog writes: (general complaints about mixups in hardware deleted for brevity's sake.) >.......... Wicks insisted on adding an extra couple of bucks to >the price 'cause it was under their minimum $25 plus S&H. Now that I've >gone back into the plans/parts list and have looked at my receipts I see that >they got about 90% of the changes updated in their computer. I'd thinking of >sending the 2 dozen or so wrong parts back and asking for an exchange. Any >suggestions here? I've found that in general, 90% of the hardware will fit as described, and 10% isn't anywhere close. At that point, I give my best guess as to what will work, order three times as many as I need, and order the same number of the two next longer and next shorter bits. This way, by the time I'm finished, I'll have an FBO's worth of AN hardware in little containers all over my basement, but I'll never have to buy another piece. As far as the minimum order goes, I generally tack any hardware orders on the top of a chapter order, an epoxy order or a tool order, so I'm always over the minimum. Don't bother with the exchange, it's just not worth the effort for $5.00 of hardware (out of a $35K project). Keep the wrong parts - they'll come in handy later. >3. This means I need to go through my entire collection of subkits (to >chapter nineteen, sitting in my basement - I have ambitions), correct the >order sheets, send the "wrong" parts back and order the "right" ones?. Not worth the effort. >More will come later, I'm sure. Sorry about the length but I had to >compromise between inarticulate grunts, monosyllablic curses and my usual >fifty cent verbiage. We forgive you, Norm. Everyone needs comedy relief :-). -- Marc J. Zeitlin Email: marcz@an.hp.com From: "Dewey Davis" Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:57:08 -0400 "Chapter 9 questions (fwd)" (Oct 5, 15:17) Subject: Re: Chapter 9 questions (fwd) On Oct 5, 15:17, Marc J. Zeitlin wrote: > Subject: Chapter 9 questions (fwd) > Norm Balog writes: > > (general complaints about mixups in hardware deleted for brevity's > sake.) > > >.......... Wicks insisted on adding an extra couple of bucks to > >the price 'cause it was under their minimum $25 plus S&H. Now that I've > >gone back into the plans/parts list and have looked at my receipts I see that > >they got about 90% of the changes updated in their computer. I'd thinking of > >sending the 2 dozen or so wrong parts back and asking for an exchange. Any > >suggestions here? > > I've found that in general, 90% of the hardware will fit as described, > and 10% isn't anywhere close. At that point, I give my best guess as to > what will work, order three times as many as I need, and order the same > number of the two next longer and next shorter bits. This way, by the > time I'm finished, I'll have an FBO's worth of AN hardware in little > containers all over my basement, but I'll never have to buy another > piece. As far as the minimum order goes, I generally tack any hardware > orders on the top of a chapter order, an epoxy order or a tool order, so > I'm always over the minimum. Don't bother with the exchange, it's just > not worth the effort for $5.00 of hardware (out of a $35K project). > Keep the wrong parts - they'll come in handy later. > I concur. It is a hopeless cause to get single kit that has every screw required, but not a lot of extras. I had the same frustration initially. Some of my early correspondence with Nat included complaints about incorrect hardware callouts in the parts lists. Later I resigned myself to keeping my own warehouse of standard AN hardware and life became much easier. You will need much more than the plans call out anyway. When it comes to engine installation and instruments installation you will need a handy stock of standard hardware, plus a lot of local friends so you can scrounge from them too. By the time you are finished you will have a lot of extras, but you will still need them for all the mods and maintenance that continues for as long as you fly. I have been flying for three years now and I still try to keep my stock current. Buy a half dozen of all the popular bolt and screw sizes, a hundred of all the washers, nuts, rivets, etc. These are not too expensive anyway. When you get to the plumbing, it gets a lot more expensive. There are a lot of AN fittings that you might need and they tend to be expensive. But it is almost impossible to predict what you will need ahead of time, because everyone has a different set of engine sensors, filters, instruments, routing, etc. If you design a layout and buy all the parts and get it right the first time you install it, I think you would be the first. I ended up with extras, but they still come in handy. Dewey